Reasons for the Taboo

troubled · Newbie Joined: Jan 27, 2004 Posts: 20

Reasons for the incest taboo are as follows:
1. We don't want inbred babies to pollute our homosapien genepool
2. It isn't right to have sexual attraction to the people you grow up with as family, even monkeys don't do it...well most monkeys!!
If anyone has something to add to this list please do!!!

crazymadness · Newbie Joined: Apr 13, 2004 Posts: 22

OHKAAY........
FYI- this is a site for GSA not incest.
What are your reasons for the GSA taboo????? And dont generalize "WE" when you actually mean YOU, your own opinion.
You think it isnt "right" .......Well it is FACT. So DEAL.
Are you a Homophobe too??
P.S. No one in this forum is a monkey. How rude to compare.

puddycat · Newbie Joined: Jan 02, 2004 Posts: 11 Location: london

I agree with Crazymadness its not very nice putting us in with the same of monkeys!![but if your speaking for yourself Troubled go ahead...!???} if its a joke, can you hear me laughing...?? also, to say all we think about is having sex with our siblings, get real..not everyone, goes down that road, or want to breed babies. There is a choice, of not having babies, its called , FAMILY PLANNING..., have you heard of it?? Exclamation

Do you think, Troubled[ and by that name, you seem to be ] its easy knowing that the person you have feelings for, will never know, whats going on inside my head, or if i met him again, got to act , 'normal ' . And who said it itsn't right to have sexual attraction, to our siblings?! Are you the 'sexual attraction police'',?! like the the people who say,it is'nt right to have sexual feelings for the same sex? im getting bored now, goodbye, Troubled.... Evil or Very Mad

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troubled · Newbie Joined: Jan 27, 2004 Posts: 20

First of all, if I'm missing the main point for why GSA is not a good thing then why don't ya all fill me in on it! Secondly if you think that attraction is not something that is instinctive in us then you need to do a little more research! One of the things that seperates us from the animals is our ability to make choices, but that doesen't mean that we are above feeling primitave, instinctual emotions! I am not saying that all of "you" that have GSA emotions get into a sexual relationships with your siblings, the reasons you don't are what I'm bringing up!
Ok "Crazy", comparing us to monkeys was me bringing us into likeness with nature, the rule writer for being attracted to siblings....check it out!!!Putting us in the same catgory as monkeys!! Monkeys don't fall in love with sibblings!!! Where does that place us on the evolutionary ladder??
And for "puddy" everyone in the world and in nature says it isn't right to have feelings for our sibblings, and like all of us here, if I wasen't troubled by my situation I sure wouldn't be here posting in a GSA forum! I'm not the sexual attraction police...society is though!!
The hostility here is uncalled for. Obviously you people need to do some research on attraction and then get a grip on the reality of your situation! Getting over denial is the first step toward recovery! Waht I'm trying to say here is we are not insestuous people and the stigma we all have about GSA is to harsh.

bonnie · Newbie Joined: Apr 30, 2004 Posts: 5 Location: TEXAS

I think that you are forgetting something.Most of us were not raised together. So Your number 2 makes no sense in our situation. How many people have you talked to on this site were raised together? I haven't talked with any. And as far as your no.1 a woman 35 years old is more likely to have something wrong with her child than we do.So do you think it should be against the law for her to have children? Even in the bible it isnt for genetic reasons that you can't marry within your family but for heritage reasons. How do you think mankind got started? Even Abraham the only man in the bible to be called a friend of God ,was married to his half sister Sara. In fact God said that the promised seed would come through thier line. So Jesus came through Abraham and Sara's line (a half brother and sister). So please don't make it sound so disgusting. I think I can speak for alot of us that I would never look at one of my brothers that i was raised with in any other way than my brother. But these are people that we have never met before. You can not expect people to just naturally have brother sister feelings just because someone says that you are by blood related. Research even shows that when women have children that alot do not automaticly have those feelings of overwhelming love because it takes time to BOND with that new little person. That is what this is all about. Not people who have been raised together as family but two strangers that have never met. If it were something inate in all of us not to be attracted to people that are blood related then we wouldn't have this happening but it is not inate It is being raised together as a family that makes a family.

troubled · Newbie Joined: Jan 27, 2004 Posts: 20

Obviously all of you who have read my post TOTALLY misunderstood what I was trying to say. In GSA relationships we werent raised together, and most of the couples I have corresponded with allready have families or are not planing on having babies, although I am very aware of the fact that genetic problems do not usually arise if there is offspring unless you are many generations into inbreading. I was trying to show how GSA situations are NOT like the stereotypical "incest" situations which hold such a taboo for the two main reasons I listed above. I really wish my words would not be missinterpreted so badely. I have tried to explain myself in my reply posts so hopefully some of you will say "Oh, I get it now!" Exclamation

I have put many posts in this forum, and have read all of the resopnses to all of the topics. those of you who responded to this must not be familiar with any of them Crying or Very sad

Three years ago I met my half brother who was raised on the other side of the country, and fell sickiningly/beautifully in love, before I was ever aware of GSA I tried my best to justify my situation by reading everything I could find in the library on love, attraction and incest. It wasen't untill I got online and started researching it that I came across GSA. For a second I felt our "True Love" was cheapened, but that was only a fleeting sensation. We are still going strong with no feelings of guilt or remorse. We believe that some of us are just destined to have these types of relationships and wish that we could live out loud without having to worry about that nasty taboo toward incest.....because we are not guilty of it in the traditional sense.
To sum it up ,I am not downrapping GSA, I'm a person who doesent want the incest taboo attached to it, and right now it most certainly is.

crazymadness · Newbie Joined: Apr 13, 2004 Posts: 22

Actually, troubled..........
I have read your postings. Which is what made your origional statements outrageously contradictory, and confusing.
What WAS the whole point of that posting, which in my opinion had nothing to do with anything.........?
So, in the future, if you want people to understand your point, try to have it make sense.......
and, PS, animals do make choices, and just because a monkey might not be attracted to its sibling....has no bearing on where humans stand on the evolutionary ladder.

AND HEY BONNIE! S"UP?????

~Crazymadness

BlackHoleSon · Newbie Joined: Aug 04, 2004 Posts: 4

You know were all pretty sad.

Its seems most of these posts are from woman. I could be wrong.
Adoptees, and genetic families can be as complex a thing as ever concieved. Very Happy

Ive met all sides now. Hope none are reading this. Laughing

Why does it always have to come down to simple sex, or complicated sex.

Why cant it just be that the connection you feel towards your sibling is just pure love!!!! Give yourself sometime. I did not! Try to relax! I could not!

Yes, i know its overwelming. We only have one emotioanl electrical system.
We did not evolve two. So love towards your sis, bro can be confused. The feeling inside is as powerful as any crush, love, or infatuation. What else then would you think? I mean its all on the same system. We have only one. Not two. As a result, you, i will become confused. The Sex stuff, well thats what you have always doen with those feelings. You react the same way, but its a reaction not necessarily the truth. Could be. I dont know in all cases. I just think that this love we all feel is about connecting with her. It does not have to involve sex.

im hoping, at least! Ive been thinking that its so much more. That the sex is uneeded, and in fact will crush your realationship. If you could just hang on and relax you might find that this stuff takes you somewhere far better, although it threatens to consume us.

I know it almost destroyed me! It was so strong of an emotion. I did not know what to do. I still have much to learn about this stuff. Im certain to find out.

The shrinks here, and i know your watching! Would 12 step you to death, or medicate you with phscotropics. Sorry cant spell!!!! Never could.
I myself, if it becomes too much would opt for minor neuro surgery!!

One note: My realltionship with my sibling is new. All in my life
are adjusting to this new way of being "Reunification". You
cannot throw away all that you are. Remember adoptee you
were here before you were reunited. You will survive if they
go away. You just gotta focus.

Love ya all!!! Even the shrinks, and please dont fall apart on me!!! You all have made me sad again... Shocked

troubled · Newbie Joined: Jan 27, 2004 Posts: 20

Ok "Crazy" for the last time, the whole point of my posting was to point out that the reasons for the incest taboo, which are directly related to GSA, DO NOT APPLY TO US. If I forgot to mention that in my thirty responses to you I apologize, it must have slipped my mind.
As for the monkey remark...over your head and below your knees.
Sincerely Troubled
A.K.A laloni

crazymadness · Newbie Joined: Apr 13, 2004 Posts: 22

Oh Thats just great Laloni,
Just when i thought this was a place of supportive people i could trust.
How manipulative of you. All talk no action.............

Why are you singling me out anyways? if you havnt noticed, other people had a problem with your origional posting as well.

thanks for nothing "laloni"
~crazymadness

BlackHoleSon · Newbie Joined: Aug 04, 2004 Posts: 4

You know from the looks of your content i would presume that you are a PHD student working on your thesis. Your comments have have hurt people. No amount of apologizing can change the past. If you are working on your happy little thesis then you are guilty of capitalizing on human suffering.

Not so nice little girl!!!!

helpless · Newbie Joined: Jun 19, 2004 Posts: 1 Location: England

A big Hi to everyone,

Can we not give her a break now, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

I think we got the point across, do we not all have some difficulty at times, putting our thoughts and feelings into 'words'? I know I do.

It appears to me we often forget why we are on this site!!!!
Help, Support and Understanding is what its all about, not arguing!! Lets face it my friends, thats the very reason we all found this site in the first place.

I will admit i too, felt some 'surprise' and disappointment on reading the initial post, and wasnt surprised at all to then read the responses.

The last thing we want to hear is the word 'incest' it isnt.???..
Incest is a stigma we attach to the likes of a father abusing his young daughter, not 2 consenting adults ( mostly strangers too), lets all face the facts here, most of us on this site have not met our siblings, parents or children until well into adulthood, we certainly did not meet with thoughts of a 'sexual nature' in mind, it is something that just hits us like a bolt out of the blue, an unstoppable movement, (FORBIDDEN LOVE) remember????
We are adults, possibly at times thrown together and told "get to know each other" the last thing we expect is to then want to jump into the sack with them.....
So please please everyone, can we get back to what this site is all about?

Good Luck to all of you

Helpless

xxx

Hi Troubled,

I read your initial post and will admit to being 'shocked' as my understanding of the site was one of 'us all being in the same boat' and being here for support, your message did not come across that way.

You have been forced to explain yourself on a number of occasions, I feel maybe you knew exactly what you meant....just a pity nobody else did....You have suffered enough in your reunion, the last thing you need is your 'supporters' to be having a go at you too...

All,

I have not replied to any of the posts on this site, yet I feel bitter disappointment at the direction this one is going, it needs to stop right here and NOW...

Please, please, please can we all now get on with what we are all on this site for GSA...remember that?????

I will apologise in advance if anybody disagrees with me, but I'm pretty sure most of you wont.

We are all 'victims' for want of a better word, some of us at the beginning of our torture, others....Mid-GSA, whilst a few of us are slowly recovering, which is where I think we would all like to be right now.

The 2 words I really detest are 'incest' and 'inbreds', I'm sure somebody has already stated that there is more chance of a baby born to an over 40 mother than there is of even a 'full' bro/sis having a child, being born with an abnormality. I was surprised by those statistics, yet they are true....

Society in general would definately frown on our situation, which is why we have to support each other, somebody who has experienced GSA first hand is a better support than any councellor ever could be..

Remember my friends......

We have all experienced in some way, shape or form the true devastation GSA can inflict on you, which is why we are here now, I for one have learnt alot on just reading of other peoples experiences.
We will ALL 'survive' this thing, in time..

Lots of love and good luck to everybody

Helpless

xxx

Teenie · Newbie Joined: Jun 30, 2004 Posts: 25 Location: England

Here Here!

Rowley · Newbie Joined: Aug 22, 2004 Posts: 14

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Saba · Newbie Joined: Aug 25, 2004 Posts: 8

Ok people, Trouble included. Time to move on! I think everyone has decided for themselves whether their situation is incest or not. I hardly think the majority of the members find that to be "their big problem". I think the Genetic Attraction as a whole, which creates great emotional stress and heartaches, is the bigeeee!

Let's end this downward spiral!!
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