crossing back over help!

[figureditout]

hi

This has been a great site to get information about this thing we call GSA. We would tell about our story but it so familiar to everyone elses story. It has been like reading about our past except We live somewhere else.

Thank you all for sharing your experiences.

We too crossed the line and what an experience. Besides our life being turned upside down for the past year. We have found out so many things about ourselfs thru this year and most of it for the good.

We would like to hear from anyone who has crossed over the line and then put there relationship back to a brother/sister relationship. One of the problems we have is we have never been a half brother and half sister.We
have add difficulties because we have fought so hard against doing what we feel is right.We have brought other people into the mix.We have been so jealous of the other people.We began lying to one another about the
relationships We have caused so much confusion and pain to each other.The end result has still been pulling back together.Each time we do this our feelings grow stronger.There is so much sadness we experience, it's
unbearable! We are trying so hard to do what we feel is right.

We fell head over heals in love with each other. We would not want to loose each other out of our lives.We have become best friend and that is how we introduce ourselfs. The problem we have is what will the future hold for us. Because of biblical reasons we feel we should do our best to
cross back over and make our relationship a brother and sister relationship.

So if we could hear from anyone who has been in this situation.We would like to hear from you.

[BarbGonyo]

I'm pleased that reading others experiences have been a help to you. We all want to know that we are not the only ones in the world who have these feelings. I'm sure there are some who like yourself want to move on to a sibling relationship especially those with strong Biblical convictions.

Since you have this strong faith I would say that the one that could help you accomplish this would not only be those of like experiences but the one who you have this faith in and who made you who you are.

I know sometimes we feel that when all else fails we should pray, when in reality it is prayer that brings us in line with our Creator who knows exactly what we are going through and can give us the strength we need.

I had a situation today with a member of my family (nothing to do with GSA) that is very troubling and one in which I am unable to fix. I had to pick something up that I had ordered in Church and decided to spend some time talking to God. I who am a natural born try to fix everything person, told Him that I give up and I'm giving it up to Him to take care of.

I know it may look pretty bleak for awhile but in His time it will work out. I'm only human and frail and can't help anyone unless He gives me the strength and knowledge to help them. I asked for Him to give me the knowledge of what I should do. I felt the answer was to do nothing and have the family member take responsiblity for what they must face.

You are in my prayers as all of those with GSA are no matter which way they may go. I know how hard it is to go through these feelings and also know that in time they lessen as we go through the stages of grief and denial and anger about separation.

Be strong and stick to your convictions.

Barb G

[Victor]

Originally Posted by figureditout

The problem we have is what will the future hold for us. Because of biblical reasons we feel we should do our best to
cross back over and make our relationship a brother and sister relationship.

Really? Biblical reason's? According to the Bible, Abraham, the father of the Hebrew People, and descendent of Jesus, was married to his half-sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:11-12). They had the same father, different mother. God so loved their marriage, and Abraham, that he blessed them with a son, when they thought it was impossible at their age. Their son, Isaac, married his first cousin, Rebecca. Jesus pretty much dismissed EVERYTHING written in Levitcus. The laws about cleanliness and eating certain foods that he dismissed are Levitical... the laws that made the priest and Levite in the story of the Good Samaritan pass the beaten man rather than help him are Levitical. And the Laws against consanguity (GSA) and homosexuality are also Levitical.

I would say that your union is blessed by God, not damned. It is society, not God, that judges these close GSA unions and forces us to feel guilty about them. There is no greater love than that of a requited GSA relationship between close relatives. And I feel sorry for those whose GSA was rejected or unrequited, but it is not the real cause of your pain and anguish.

Vic

[osiris]

Originally Posted by Victor

Really? Biblical reason's? According to the Bible, Abraham, the father of the Hebrew People, and descendent of Jesus, was married to his half-sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:11-12). They had the same father, different mother. God so loved their marriage, and Abraham, that he blessed them with a son, when they thought it was impossible at their age. Their son, Isaac, married his first cousin, Rebecca. Jesus pretty much dismissed EVERYTHING written in Levitcus. The laws about cleanliness and eating certain foods that he dismissed are Levitical... the laws that made the priest and Levite in the story of the Good Samaritan pass the beaten man rather than help him are Levitical. And the Laws against consanguity (GSA) and homosexuality are also Levitical.

I would say that your union is blessed by God, not damned. It is society, not God, that judges these close GSA unions and forces us to feel guilty about them. There is no greater love than that of a requited GSA relationship between close relatives. And I feel sorry for those whose GSA was rejected or unrequited, but it is not the real cause of your pain and anguish.

Vic

Good post... although I think you meant to say ancestor of Jesus, not descendent.

I'd say that anyone who quotes the book of Leviticus in order to condemn anyone else's sexual behavior (or any behavior, for that matter) must henceforth never play American football (no touching the skin of a pig), never eat a rare steak with Béarnaise sauce (no eating blood, or meat and dairy products together), and never wear cashmere and silk at the same time (no mixing of cloths); these things being abominations in the eyes of the LORD.

Better yet, that person need merely remember what Jesus said about sin: let he who is without it cast the first stone. Judge not, lest ye be judged. Et cetera, et cetera.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by osiris

Good post... although I think you meant to say ancestor of Jesus, not descendent.

Oops! Thanks for the catch.

[BarbGonyo]

How refreshing to be reading things about the Bible and how it all began. I hope it is helpful to many.Thank all of you for your posts.
Barb G

[Victor]

The history of human civilization is filled with references....POSITIVE references....to consangual (GSA) love. In Persia (Zoroastian religion) the sexual/marital union of bother and sister, or parent and child was considered the holiest of all sexual/marital unions. The royal families of Sumer, Babylonia, Egypt, Greece, India, and even modern Europe reserved for themselves the right of consangual marriage. Napoleon did away with the laws against consanguity because he saw they were absurd. Even science and medicine are putting to bed the old myths that consangual relationships breed deformed children and monsters.

There is nothing wrong with any of us for feeling what we feel. It is in truth a natural drive to evolve that makes us feel as we do for our new-found blood relative. It is commonly said and known that "familiarity breeds contempt" and causes disgust in most of us where desire and love once existed. The same effect that drives husbands and wives to lose their sexual appetites for each other that they had in the beginning of their relationship is caused by the same effect that makes us become revolted at the thought of incest with someone we grew up with. That we didn't grow up with our GSA partners is the very reason we feel as we do. We have avoided the effect of imprinting that would have created in us a sexual contempt for each other. And chances are that our relationships will outlast normal relationships, because the genetic attraction that exists between all couples, is strongest among us.

There is nothing wrong with us, and everything wrong with a society that condems us for loving each other that much. It is my hope that one day society will finally realize just how wrong their hatred of us and our love is.

Vic

[Bittersweet]

I think this couple is searching for answers.We all know how strong GSA can be.I think we should show some kindness.I admire their convictions.I believe they wanting to find out if they can be together.I don't think they want to crossover to brother/sister.I would like to hear from someone who had the same convictions.And what did they do.My heart goes out to this couple.It's hard to fight against love.Good luck.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Bittersweet

I think this couple is searching for answers.We all know how strong GSA can be.I think we should show some kindness.I admire their convictions.I believe they wanting to find out if they can be together.I don't think they want to crossover to brother/sister.I would like to hear from someone who had the same convictions.And what did they do.My heart goes out to this couple.It's hard to fight against love.Good luck.

They ARE searching for answers, BS, but figureditout said point blank....

Originally Posted by figureditout

"...Because of biblical reasons we feel we should do our best to cross back over and make our relationship a brother and sister relationship."

My first point is that if the Bible is used as a reason for crossing back over as brother and sister, then one should at least know that the bible sanctions their relationship more than it condemns it.

But to be more direct in respondiing to them...YES. To become brother and sister all they need do is give up the sexual intimacy between them. They are ALWAYS, and will always be, brother and sister, but while they remain intimate together they add to that definition/dimension that of lovers. We are rational creatures who are capable of making a choice and acting or not acting by that choice. I don't care how strong the attraction is, we can choose to not act on it. That's all you have to do: Choose not to be lovers. (Believe me when I tell you that I know exactly how difficult that choice is to act on for the GSA couple, but it can be done.)

But why should we have to choose? Because society at large says we shouldn't act on our desires? Have they given us a sound and good reason why we shouldn't? No. They haven't. Just because we are blood relatives is not a good and just reason. That there is a greater risk of creating a child from our union with a genetic disorder isn't justification enough, because there are no laws against having children late in life, which also contributes to the posibility of genetic disorders.... Fair is fair and equal is equal. It's not because its unnatural, or because there is a "natural avertion" to it, otherwise we would have that aversion to it in ourselves, and we don't. It's not that it is universally condemned, because there have been societies in the past (and even still in our present) that condoned it, some even considered it a "holy" union. The only reason for it is because it is a "religious" value, and at least in the US, "Congress shall make NO LAW favoring an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise of..." That "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." And, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, ...against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."

The constitutions of other nations are modelled upon that of the US, and that of France, which has abolished its own laws against consanguity (incest). For us Americans, our constitution pretty much gives us the right to do that which we desire to do as GSA partners. The problem is that prejudice abounds against us, and abuses the law in our regard. I'm surprised that the ACLU has thus far stayed out of this fight as regards us.

Sorry....I'm ranting. We need a "john and jane scopes" (reference to the Scopes vs Tennesee court case that was actually a set up by the ACLU to challenge in the Supreme Court the constitutionality of prohibiting the teaching of Evolution in the classroom). Or a Mr. and Mrs. Lawrence to make an example of so that the unconstitutionality of these archaic state laws can finally be exposed, and that reason and right can rule again in their stead for us.